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		<title>By: How Many Green Arrows is Too Many? &#171; read/RANT!</title>
		<link>http://www.bsicomics.com/2009/05/05/dc-comics-infinite-character-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-5061</link>
		<dc:creator>How Many Green Arrows is Too Many? &#171; read/RANT!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 17:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] redundant characters running around the DCU these days.  You can read his original article here.  In the article, geist0 suggests that all of these characters shouldn&#8217;t be running around [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.bsicomics.com/2009/05/05/dc-comics-infinite-character-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-5009</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 02:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure where you get your point.  As I mentioned at the end of the article, Crisis on Infinite Earths was used to eliminate a lot of messy continuity.  It wasn&#039;t entirely successful, but it did eliminate such problems as the age of the &quot;Big Three&quot; and Streak the Supercat and whatever that horse was that wanted to have sex with Supergirl.

So, it isn&#039;t 20 years too late.  It&#039;s just the opposite.  DC could use more of that kind of thinking, and in fact  could have used Final Crisis to do just that.  As it is, I hope there isn&#039;t another Crisis for twenty more years.

Your examples don&#039;t really apply, bc many of these changes didn&#039;t put all of the characters together simultaneously, with the exception of GL.  And since Green Lantern isn&#039;t so much Hal&#039;s province as it is a job title, its not the same thing.

My problem isn&#039;t with the concept of heroes having legacies.  I kind of like that.  What I dislike is the fact that they are all operating at the same time with no real purpose.

Take the Flash.   Jay Garrick serves his own purpose, and doesn&#039;t exactly factor in here.  Bart, however was killed less than a year ago so they could bring back Wally.  Then Barry came back, making Wally superfluous. And Bart is there too.  Now, aside from Jay and Wally, I cannot see a single reason for the characters to exist.  They seem to be doing the same thing.

Thats the problem with Supergirl. I thought the introduction of her was really cool.  But she kept getting shipped from writer to writer and none knew what to do with her.   So she quickly became a lesser version of Powergirl.  And then Superwoman came along.  No idea why.

See, isn&#039;t the idea of the characters existing.  Its that DC keeps trotting them out to increase sales and then doesn&#039;t know what to do with them. 

What do you do with four Wonder Women?

And what is worse is the ones that are resurrected.  Barry Allen really doesn&#039;t need to be around.  Neither does Bart or the other resurrection from Legion of 3 Worlds.  And particularly with LoSH.  As good a job as Mark Waid did, a LOT of it was ruined by the multiple Legions operating autonomously and interweavingly.

Anyway.  I think some would benefit from just disappearing or retiring, such as Conner Hawk and Jason Todd.  Others such as Speedy and Hawk and Dove, I would like to see murdered brutally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure where you get your point.  As I mentioned at the end of the article, Crisis on Infinite Earths was used to eliminate a lot of messy continuity.  It wasn&#8217;t entirely successful, but it did eliminate such problems as the age of the &#8220;Big Three&#8221; and Streak the Supercat and whatever that horse was that wanted to have sex with Supergirl.</p>
<p>So, it isn&#8217;t 20 years too late.  It&#8217;s just the opposite.  DC could use more of that kind of thinking, and in fact  could have used Final Crisis to do just that.  As it is, I hope there isn&#8217;t another Crisis for twenty more years.</p>
<p>Your examples don&#8217;t really apply, bc many of these changes didn&#8217;t put all of the characters together simultaneously, with the exception of GL.  And since Green Lantern isn&#8217;t so much Hal&#8217;s province as it is a job title, its not the same thing.</p>
<p>My problem isn&#8217;t with the concept of heroes having legacies.  I kind of like that.  What I dislike is the fact that they are all operating at the same time with no real purpose.</p>
<p>Take the Flash.   Jay Garrick serves his own purpose, and doesn&#8217;t exactly factor in here.  Bart, however was killed less than a year ago so they could bring back Wally.  Then Barry came back, making Wally superfluous. And Bart is there too.  Now, aside from Jay and Wally, I cannot see a single reason for the characters to exist.  They seem to be doing the same thing.</p>
<p>Thats the problem with Supergirl. I thought the introduction of her was really cool.  But she kept getting shipped from writer to writer and none knew what to do with her.   So she quickly became a lesser version of Powergirl.  And then Superwoman came along.  No idea why.</p>
<p>See, isn&#8217;t the idea of the characters existing.  Its that DC keeps trotting them out to increase sales and then doesn&#8217;t know what to do with them. </p>
<p>What do you do with four Wonder Women?</p>
<p>And what is worse is the ones that are resurrected.  Barry Allen really doesn&#8217;t need to be around.  Neither does Bart or the other resurrection from Legion of 3 Worlds.  And particularly with LoSH.  As good a job as Mark Waid did, a LOT of it was ruined by the multiple Legions operating autonomously and interweavingly.</p>
<p>Anyway.  I think some would benefit from just disappearing or retiring, such as Conner Hawk and Jason Todd.  Others such as Speedy and Hawk and Dove, I would like to see murdered brutally.</p>
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		<title>By: Dav-O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dav-O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 01:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article.  Blackest Night is probably not going to make a lasting impact on the dilution issue. I&#039;m guessing a few people will return from the dead, yes, but this can also be seen as a clearing of the decks to zombifie - and take offstage - unneeded characters.  The status quo - of multiple copies of each successful concept - will likely maintain.

Your article raises a good question, but it&#039;s really 20 years too late.  DC began this problem in the 1980s:

1.  They introduced a second Robin, and a few years later decided to retcon him into a jerk. Pretty soon he was unpopular, and was killed off to make way for a 3rd Robin.

2.  They killed off the Flash to &quot;reinvent the concept&quot; in 1985, but backed out and decided since Barry was dead to just give his suit to his nephew. Status quo maintained!

3.  Around the time of Crisis (1984) Green Lantern&#039;s scripter had problems coming up with stories and decided it&#039;d be easier to replace GL (Hal Jordan) with his back-up (John Stewart), and basically redo the old Hal stories, just with a rookie.  Pretty soon he burned out and left the book, leaving the next writer solve the problem by bringing MORE GLs to Earth, making it a team book.

All between 1984 and 1987, by the way. By 1995, they&#039;d coined the term &quot;Legacy&quot; as a catch-all description of this &#039;musical chairs of superhero personas&#039; phenomenon.  There were new Supergirls, a new Superboy, yet another rookie Green Lantern, etc.  It seemed DC replaced every marketable, longterm character they had by about 1996. And *most* of those replacements are still around, crowding battle scene shots in crossovers.

20 years later, we have a comics readership fairly numb to spandex-overload.

At this point, rather than rebooting, retconning or explaining away why there are so many superheroes with the same costumes and names, the solution is very simple:

Forget about all these variations on a theme. Let them find lives off-panel, and stop talking about them.

And if...&lt;b&gt;if&lt;/b&gt;...you can ignore internet fandom, then the problem will be solved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article.  Blackest Night is probably not going to make a lasting impact on the dilution issue. I&#8217;m guessing a few people will return from the dead, yes, but this can also be seen as a clearing of the decks to zombifie &#8211; and take offstage &#8211; unneeded characters.  The status quo &#8211; of multiple copies of each successful concept &#8211; will likely maintain.</p>
<p>Your article raises a good question, but it&#8217;s really 20 years too late.  DC began this problem in the 1980s:</p>
<p>1.  They introduced a second Robin, and a few years later decided to retcon him into a jerk. Pretty soon he was unpopular, and was killed off to make way for a 3rd Robin.</p>
<p>2.  They killed off the Flash to &#8220;reinvent the concept&#8221; in 1985, but backed out and decided since Barry was dead to just give his suit to his nephew. Status quo maintained!</p>
<p>3.  Around the time of Crisis (1984) Green Lantern&#8217;s scripter had problems coming up with stories and decided it&#8217;d be easier to replace GL (Hal Jordan) with his back-up (John Stewart), and basically redo the old Hal stories, just with a rookie.  Pretty soon he burned out and left the book, leaving the next writer solve the problem by bringing MORE GLs to Earth, making it a team book.</p>
<p>All between 1984 and 1987, by the way. By 1995, they&#8217;d coined the term &#8220;Legacy&#8221; as a catch-all description of this &#8216;musical chairs of superhero personas&#8217; phenomenon.  There were new Supergirls, a new Superboy, yet another rookie Green Lantern, etc.  It seemed DC replaced every marketable, longterm character they had by about 1996. And *most* of those replacements are still around, crowding battle scene shots in crossovers.</p>
<p>20 years later, we have a comics readership fairly numb to spandex-overload.</p>
<p>At this point, rather than rebooting, retconning or explaining away why there are so many superheroes with the same costumes and names, the solution is very simple:</p>
<p>Forget about all these variations on a theme. Let them find lives off-panel, and stop talking about them.</p>
<p>And if&#8230;<b>if</b>&#8230;you can ignore internet fandom, then the problem will be solved.</p>
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		<title>By: Speed Reading: Ruminations and Reviews &#171; Speed Force</title>
		<link>http://www.bsicomics.com/2009/05/05/dc-comics-infinite-character-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-4978</link>
		<dc:creator>Speed Reading: Ruminations and Reviews &#171; Speed Force</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 06:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] BSI Comics contemplates the fallout Blackest Night will have on DC&#8217;s many character variations. [...]</description>
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